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Self inserts can be good or bad. So please don't get the wrong damn idea. I never said all self inserts are bad.

Anyway that's not the point here. Some people seem to think that a self insert is always exactly or VERY close to how the creator is. That isn't always true.

[I previously wrote this somewhere else but I'll post it here too]

The thing about some self inserts is they sometimes don't look or seem too much like the creator at all. But that's the point. Emotionally, the character IS them but with features and additions that the creator WISHES she or he had. So basically they're self inserts as well as wish fulfillments. A greater more preferred version of themselves. Often in the cases of canon x oc, (Or just plain out character inserting) they are altered and changed so they can better worm their way into fitting (or standing out) in whatever universe they're being put in.


This isn't ALWAYS the case but I believe it's a common thing in Mary Sues, especially Sues that are paired with a canon character.

Again though, I'm not saying every single one. So don't throw a temper tantrum.

I'm just generalizing. Also this isn't about self inserts being good or not or being sues. This is more about giving a better understanding to a TYPE of self insert.
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~ArtIsDerp Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think things like self inserts should be kept to the author but then again, if noone publishes them how are people going to read them? I mean, Not everyone is a good writer... hell, not everyone wants to write, so why not publish them? As long as it's something like "Karkat and (y/n) took a walk in the magical rainbow pony park and held hands." instead of "Karkat and Jessica(me? stahp! me! w r u doing? stahp!) took a walk in the park and held hands.", i think it should be appropiate c:
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~KuchikiYorume Nov 25, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Some say self-inserts are an insult to canon.
I disagree. It's a bit like this: "I love this world so much I wish I could be a part of it."
Others may say that self-inserts are the result of the author being lazy and not wanting to bother with creating someone from scratch.
Not necessarily. I really had to learn more about myself to create Torenn, and that was a bit of work. Besides, she is not exactly like me either- I wouldn't delight in killing people, I'm too gentle and shy. Since she exists in a different world, she is presented with a lot of situations that I wouldn't be, so I had to figure out how I wanted her to act. I had to create a whole psyche for her and delve into the whats and whys.
But... I digress. Self-inserts CAN of course be a gratification of fantasies, but what on earth is wrong with that- as long as you don't totally ruin the fandom you're inserting yourself into?
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~theultimateasian Nov 25, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Personally, I find that the topic of Self-Inserts are more like sending a character from our universe into the subject universe.

Self-inserts do not necessarily send in the writer or his personality, just maybe his memories or something I don't know.

For example, I'm writing a self-insert fic where a guy from our universe gets transported to the SWTOR universe.
The character is crass and rude, but he's got a nicer side to him.
I don't really see myself in him nor do I want to be him (mostly due to the fact that he does stupid stuff), yet I still consider this story to be a self insert fic
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:iconbouzu-hiso:
Well, I'm planning to appear in one of my stories as self-insert as well (as little post delivery-thing), so I don't have a problem with that :P
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:iconrefluxiana:
I honestly don't get the point of it.
Like, yourself wanting to go in imaginary worlds or stories 'n stuff... I just like reality.

I can appreciate when a comic artist makes a cameo of themselfs or when a writer comments what is happening, though.
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*PoesRaven1990 Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm well I never knew where to stand with self inserts. Especially since my one female character has both a little bit of me and my mom in her. But I think in order to make it work they would really have to make the character their own person so to speak. I have one character who IS supposed to be me or rather an over exaggerated version of me but she is pretty much just an icon I guess? I don't actually use her for any writing or story telling.
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:iconbrokendragonqueenai:
You know, most of my self inserts are completely opposite of how I am in real life.
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~TheWickedKid Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist Artist
I like TRUE self-inserts, wherein the creator characterizes themselves and keeps true to the canon of the world they've inserted themselves into. Or just the world, if it's an original work.
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=cathylikeseverything Nov 24, 2012  Student Digital Artist
some of my ocs are simply put like this: my main oc is a person similar to me, for the reason the she basically represents me. she's my main oc, so I needed someone to represent who I am.
all my other ocs are made from scratch.
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~Arhasen Nov 24, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I just read a self-insert fanfiction on something recently...I came upon it by accident. Based on a movie, with him/herself inserted as a second main character - swapping lines from scenes and adding just enough to make the "Character" part of the story. (Not that it was achieved believably...e.e)

Has anyone ever come across Mary-Sue fanfiction where the main character is a blatant self-insert, name and all... and then you look at the author's profile and they are over 20 years old and wrote it within the last few years?

O____0 *

I did a bit of that as a kid, but really... There ought to be a point where people realize how silly it is. Right...? Not to make fun of fanfiction in general, but when people are using it to fulfill odd fantasies (especially when their person of interest in their fiction is..not the usual love interest...?) Oddly enough, I'm not talking about Snape fans here.
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